Comments on: So Now What Do You Think? http://www.hvmracing.com/hvmblog/?p=83 HVM Racing BlogSite Tue, 16 Mar 2010 04:35:43 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: JayInAtlanta http://www.hvmracing.com/hvmblog/?p=83#comment-280 JayInAtlanta Mon, 08 Mar 2010 19:00:05 +0000 http://www.hvmracing.com/hvmblog/?p=83#comment-280 The Delta Wing is a horrific idea for open wheel racing, and probably for anything. I DON'T CARE how good the smokescreen science is behind it: it's an abomination and it will drive off the vast majority of the very small audience who cares about open wheel racing. As I've said bluntly in other discussions, IndyCar already has the market on a formula that looks like sh*t. The fact that some group of IndyCar owners now want something that actually makes the Dallara look good is frightening beyond belief. The Delta Wing is a horrific idea for open wheel racing, and probably for anything. I DON’T CARE how good the smokescreen science is behind it: it’s an abomination and it will drive off the vast majority of the very small audience who cares about open wheel racing.

As I’ve said bluntly in other discussions, IndyCar already has the market on a formula that looks like sh*t. The fact that some group of IndyCar owners now want something that actually makes the Dallara look good is frightening beyond belief.

]]> By: davemb http://www.hvmracing.com/hvmblog/?p=83#comment-273 davemb Thu, 04 Mar 2010 02:12:18 +0000 http://www.hvmracing.com/hvmblog/?p=83#comment-273 I love the Swift #32. It looks wicked fast. I find the Swift #33 too cartoonish, the other fall significantly further down my list. The Delta Wing - I just can see it as a race car, I'm an engineer and appreciate the obvious efficiencies in its design but, it does not look like its ready to do battle. FWIW - my 12 year old son ranks DeltaWing first and Swift #32 second amoung all the chassis I love the Swift #32. It looks wicked fast. I find the Swift #33 too cartoonish, the other fall significantly further down my list. The Delta Wing – I just can see it as a race car, I’m an engineer and appreciate the obvious efficiencies in its design but, it does not look like its ready to do battle. FWIW – my 12 year old son ranks DeltaWing first and Swift #32 second amoung all the chassis

]]> By: Boiler37 http://www.hvmracing.com/hvmblog/?p=83#comment-257 Boiler37 Wed, 24 Feb 2010 18:21:34 +0000 http://www.hvmracing.com/hvmblog/?p=83#comment-257 I would have to rate in the order of Swift, Lola, Dallara, and Delta. I can see the policing of the Delta being extremely difficult for a "spec" car, if that is in fact what we're stuck with. Nothing sexy about it. Swift & Lola are a nice progression without going F1-over-the-top aero. I like the reduced HP if speed is maintained, but drivers need to have to lift on a 1.5 mile oval. I would like to see a KERS-like application for "boost", but you have to slow down or brake. Make the driver drive, not just hold on! I would have to rate in the order of Swift, Lola, Dallara, and Delta. I can see the policing of the Delta being extremely difficult for a “spec” car, if that is in fact what we’re stuck with. Nothing sexy about it. Swift & Lola are a nice progression without going F1-over-the-top aero. I like the reduced HP if speed is maintained, but drivers need to have to lift on a 1.5 mile oval. I would like to see a KERS-like application for “boost”, but you have to slow down or brake. Make the driver drive, not just hold on!

]]> By: IrieRon http://www.hvmracing.com/hvmblog/?p=83#comment-256 IrieRon Tue, 23 Feb 2010 23:02:50 +0000 http://www.hvmracing.com/hvmblog/?p=83#comment-256 Delta Wing, and it's not even close. Picking the new Dallara or Lola or whatever won't even register a blip on the media's radar, and the IRL will continue on in obscurity. For every internet poster who claims they'll never watch IndyCars again, I would reckon 10 new fans would tune in just to see this wild new efficient rocket-looking racecar. I like the idea of multiple manufacturers, which is only apparently available through the Delta Wing project. I like the idea of going the same speed or faster with less horsepower and less fuel. I like the idea of a clean sheet of paper and form following function. In short, I am a long-time IndyCar fan, have been to 27 Indy 500's, and I like the Delta Wing. Delta Wing, and it’s not even close. Picking the new Dallara or Lola or whatever won’t even register a blip on the media’s radar, and the IRL will continue on in obscurity. For every internet poster who claims they’ll never watch IndyCars again, I would reckon 10 new fans would tune in just to see this wild new efficient rocket-looking racecar. I like the idea of multiple manufacturers, which is only apparently available through the Delta Wing project. I like the idea of going the same speed or faster with less horsepower and less fuel. I like the idea of a clean sheet of paper and form following function.

In short, I am a long-time IndyCar fan, have been to 27 Indy 500’s, and I like the Delta Wing.

]]> By: HVMFan http://www.hvmracing.com/hvmblog/?p=83#comment-255 HVMFan Tue, 23 Feb 2010 17:56:37 +0000 http://www.hvmracing.com/hvmblog/?p=83#comment-255 I personally think that the Lola concept should be chosen. It shows a true open-wheel racing car design, and they promise to make them in Indianapolis. http://www.lolacars.com/newsstory.asp?NewsId=190 I personally think that the Lola concept should be chosen. It shows a true open-wheel racing car design, and they promise to make them in Indianapolis.
http://www.lolacars.com/newsstory.asp?NewsId=190

]]> By: Mike http://www.hvmracing.com/hvmblog/?p=83#comment-254 Mike Tue, 23 Feb 2010 15:10:17 +0000 http://www.hvmracing.com/hvmblog/?p=83#comment-254 Chip thought for a while and said, "Ben, I don't think everyone loves it yet. We've heard a small amount of negative feedback. Make the front end and wheels more narrow and we've got a real winner on our hands! While you're at it, remove the canopy. It probably won't be looked at as an Open Wheel car if it has a canopy" [img]http://www.hvmracing.com/hvmblog/wp-content/upload/DW-1.JPG[/img] Chip thought for a while and said, “Ben, I don’t think everyone loves it yet. We’ve heard a small amount of negative feedback. Make the front end and wheels more narrow and we’ve got a real winner on our hands! While you’re at it, remove the canopy. It probably won’t be looked at as an Open Wheel car if it has a canopy”
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]]> By: Mike http://www.hvmracing.com/hvmblog/?p=83#comment-253 Mike Tue, 23 Feb 2010 14:59:07 +0000 http://www.hvmracing.com/hvmblog/?p=83#comment-253 IndyCar team owners show the new Delta Wing design to their friends at NASCAR. Bill France is heard saying, "Dang, that durn thang would look good on a trophy wouldn't it?" Another NASCAR official asks if they could "install an airplane tail and tail fins on the new NASCAR Car Of Tomorrow." Bill responds, "I think that would be just too futuristic for the 1950's!" [img]http://www.hvmracing.com/hvmblog/wp-content/upload/DW3.jpg[/img] IndyCar team owners show the new Delta Wing design to their friends at NASCAR. Bill France is heard saying, “Dang, that durn thang would look good on a trophy wouldn’t it?” Another NASCAR official asks if they could “install an airplane tail and tail fins on the new NASCAR Car Of Tomorrow.” Bill responds, “I think that would be just too futuristic for the 1950’s!”
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]]> By: Mike http://www.hvmracing.com/hvmblog/?p=83#comment-252 Mike Tue, 23 Feb 2010 14:37:36 +0000 http://www.hvmracing.com/hvmblog/?p=83#comment-252 Hey Chip, here's the new car! Wow Ben, it's right out of 1957. That's our car of the future. Everyone will LOVE it! [img]http://www.hvmracing.com/hvmblog/wp-content/upload/DW.JPG[/img] Hey Chip, here’s the new car! Wow Ben, it’s right out of 1957. That’s our car of the future. Everyone will LOVE it!
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]]> By: Bash http://www.hvmracing.com/hvmblog/?p=83#comment-251 Bash Tue, 23 Feb 2010 06:33:41 +0000 http://www.hvmracing.com/hvmblog/?p=83#comment-251 I've slept on it for a while, and here's my thinking: Any one of the Swift concepts would be first choice for me, and the Lolas second. Dallara third, but only the most-evolved concept. Just can't imagine wanting to watch the Bonneville Salt Flats 500, and really don't want to see that configuration of the Delta Wing in my favorite series. I love the open source concept - let's use that approach on a chassis that looks something like an Indy Car! After all, it IS the identity of the sport that's at stake. Kudos to all four outfits for providing much food for thought, and thank you, HVM, for giving us a place to voice those thoughts! I’ve slept on it for a while, and here’s my thinking: Any one of the Swift concepts would be first choice for me, and the Lolas second. Dallara third, but only the most-evolved concept. Just can’t imagine wanting to watch the Bonneville Salt Flats 500, and really don’t want to see that configuration of the Delta Wing in my favorite series. I love the open source concept – let’s use that approach on a chassis that looks something like an Indy Car! After all, it IS the identity of the sport that’s at stake.

Kudos to all four outfits for providing much food for thought, and thank you, HVM, for giving us a place to voice those thoughts!

]]> By: James http://www.hvmracing.com/hvmblog/?p=83#comment-249 James Tue, 23 Feb 2010 00:54:58 +0000 http://www.hvmracing.com/hvmblog/?p=83#comment-249 I haven't seen this much opposition to a new product since the ipod. The technical crown panned that as 'a waste of time' see: http://apple.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=01/10/23/1816257 I think a majority of the fanatics had their hopes and aspirations built up with the delta wing only for them to be dashed by the unexpected and new concept. The vitriolic comments show the grief from a passionate crowd. I think that the delta wing will be a fantastic success. It is the only design that could bring in huge crowds to the Indianapolis 500 with the expectations of a new lap record. If the delta wing can bring out the passion as seen here to the fanatical few, then what impact could it have on the greater population? I would like to find out. James I haven’t seen this much opposition to a new product since the ipod. The technical crown panned that as ‘a waste of time’ see: http://apple.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=01/10/23/1816257

I think a majority of the fanatics had their hopes and aspirations built up with the delta wing only for them to be dashed by the unexpected and new concept. The vitriolic comments show the grief from a passionate crowd. I think that the delta wing will be a fantastic success. It is the only design that could bring in huge crowds to the Indianapolis 500 with the expectations of a new lap record.

If the delta wing can bring out the passion as seen here to the fanatical few, then what impact could it have on the greater population? I would like to find out.

James

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